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#250348 - 12/31/11 12:40 PM What else do i need for ag brewing?
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Just got my 30qt stainless turkey fryer now what? i want to start making ag beer. Home made cooler mash tun? i have all the utensils just wondering what the best way to go is? thanks

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#250355 - 12/31/11 12:53 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: oldsquaw]
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you really have everything you need to get started. You can do BIAB or use a smaller pot to heat the sparge water and use the large pot as the mash tun.
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#250360 - 12/31/11 01:14 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: cardinalsfan]
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I would research BIAB(Brew In A Bag). I have made some GREAT beers using a 30 quart turkey fryer a 5 gallon paint strainer and nothing else.
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#250372 - 12/31/11 03:57 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: High_Iron]
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You will need some type of chiller. An ice bath can take forever to chill the wort. You can make an immersion chiller pretty cheap.

I would make the mash tun, but that is just my opinion. Good luck with making the jump. Make a nice malty stout or porter for your first batch, they are more forgiving with mistakes
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#250384 - 12/31/11 04:51 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: The Beer Warrior]
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Either method works, for me I got tired of worrying around the
kitchen about temps during mashing and scorching the bag.
With the cooler mash tun you pour the hot water in add the grains
stir and forget about it for an hour or so. I prefer the rectangular
over the round cooler.
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#250387 - 12/31/11 05:20 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: oldsquaw]
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A rectangular mash tun and a wort chiller.
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#250388 - 12/31/11 05:25 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: Banjoman]
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Bingo!!!!
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#250392 - 12/31/11 05:39 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: Banjoman]
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Rectangular mash tun it is!!!

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#250393 - 12/31/11 05:47 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: oldsquaw]
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It stirs easier, does not get stuck sparges plus you can do 10
gallon batches or really big 5 gallon batches.
I bought a long handled bamboo spoon for 3 bucks at an asian
store and it works great as a mash paddle.
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#250395 - 12/31/11 06:10 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: HatchetJack]
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Likewise I got a crawfish paddle from HomeDepot and it works great! I would recommend the Weldless Cooler Kit for a rectangular cooler along with a stainless mash/boil screen.
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#250397 - 12/31/11 06:53 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: oldsquaw]
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Several options, as you can tell. I, too, suggest BIAB for minimal additional equipment. If you are concerned about scorching, you can add a false bottom - many use a collapsible vegetable steamer.

As for chilling, you can make a smaller batch if you feel you don't want to do an ice bath with a larger batch. OR... you can do no-chill - no ice bath or chiller involved. This works great for many brewers.

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#250398 - 12/31/11 07:05 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: Banjoman]
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Let the fun begin...For my all grain setup I use the following:

Camp Chef Propane burner
Drinking water hose (does not leach rubber etc)
Counterflow Wort Chiller
Garden Hose for outlet water
Gott Drinking cooler with kettle screen and ball valve
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9 Gal pot for doing 7 gal full wort boil with ball valve
Large Aluminum Stock Pot for heating sarge and cleaning waters
Fish tank Pump and diffusion stone for aeration
Large Stainless Steel Mash Paddle
Fermenter (I use a corny keg modified for fermentation)
Misc Tubing (silicone for the hot side)
Storage Containers for equipment that stack as a work surface
Folding Table for part of brewstand
Misc Small Stuff like clamps, screwdrivers, etc used for setup and tear down. Also some thermometers, a digital timer, iodine for a conversion test, hydrometer, etc.

On the yeast side I have a variety of Pyrex lab Erlenmeyer flasks for doing starters in (The can be used directly on a gas stove or over a diff user on an electric stove and then be moved immediately to ice water without fear of breaking). I also use a stir-plate when growing the starter. This is done for all liquid yeast starters. These flasks can also be used to boil water and then re-hydrate dry yeast as well.

I also highly recommend the use of Fermcap-S it prevents boil-overs and foam-overs without effecting the final head of the beer or the beer quality. Have never had a boil-over or too much foam when added before aeration.

Then you have to talk about other fun things like temperature controlled fermentation... smile

Brew in a bag works well for many people, I decided to have a more traditional outdoor setup...if I had to do it again I would build an even bigger system and a proper stand...
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#250409 - 12/31/11 07:34 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: BigEaredMonkey]
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Are any of the coolers better than others?

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#250413 - 12/31/11 08:43 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: oldsquaw]
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I've got two rectangulars from Dollar General that work just fine at retaining temps.
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#250414 - 12/31/11 08:57 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: High_Iron]
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Originally Posted By: High_Iron
I would research BIAB(Brew In A Bag). I have made some GREAT beers using a 30 quart turkey fryer a 5 gallon paint strainer and nothing else.

Ditto. This method is super easy. I'm hooked on this method until I get bored, but I don't think that will be anytime soon.. Plus you only need to invest 3 bucks for the paint strainer bag and you don't need to store a cooler/mash tun.
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#250480 - 01/01/12 11:42 AM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: Lagerpmp]
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For the manifold, copper or cpvc?

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#250498 - 01/01/12 12:25 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: oldsquaw]
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Personally I use a Bazooka Screen.
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#250499 - 01/01/12 12:29 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: Banjoman]
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+1 the Bazooka screen. You will never accidently break it apart stirring in the grains.
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#250512 - 01/01/12 01:39 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: The Beer Warrior]
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Originally Posted By: The Beer Warrior
..You will never accidently break it apart stirring in the grains.

Been there, done that. Sucks.
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#250513 - 01/01/12 02:10 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: Bitter_Bob]
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Here are a few picks of mine for a visual: It's a 40 qt and will
hold a little over 18lbs of grain. That's enough for a medium
strength abv 10 gallon batch or a high abv 5 gallon batch.
A 48 qt marine or extreme would be ideal but use what you have.





Edited by HatchetJack (01/01/12 02:13 PM)
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#250525 - 01/01/12 03:18 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: HatchetJack]
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What's that piece you added to the locking spigot, and how did you attach it?
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#250526 - 01/01/12 03:24 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: HatchetJack]
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Everyone has pretty much covered everything. The only thing that I would add is that you will need a way to accurately measure your volumes. I would suggest making a dip stick. Without knowing your volumes you can't accurately measure/calculate your efficiency.

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#250572 - 01/01/12 07:48 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: JSSTR8]
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I marked my pots so I don't have to use a dip stick. There is no risk of using the wrong stick with the wrong kettle and I cant loose the stick or my wife can't use it as kindling for a bonfire.

I sat my kettles on a level surface, opened the spigot and filled them until water started coming out. Then I closed the spigot. This is the dead space. The liquid that's there that you can't reach or use so it does not count so much. Then I measured out and poured in one gallon of water. Then I used a punch (or a nail) and hammer to make a dent at the liquid level. Then add and mark the next gallon and continue going until the pot is marked. Since things can get messy and my attention span is shot before I can count seven dots I find it helpful to make the level marks in some type of pattern.

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#250574 - 01/01/12 07:56 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: oldsquaw]
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Originally Posted By: oldsquaw
Just got my 30qt stainless turkey fryer now what? i want to start making ag beer. Home made cooler mash tun? i have all the utensils just wondering what the best way to go is? thanks


I would suggest not changing too many things at once. It'll only lead to frustration. Make a few extract brews with your new setup dialing in boil off rate and whatnot. Do you have a chiller? Maybe get a chiller and also focus on temp controlled fermentation. Fermentation is where it's at no matter AG or extract. If you can't nail down precise fermentation temps, you'll make average beer at best no matter what you do hot side.
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#250578 - 01/01/12 09:20 PM Re: What else do i need for ag brewing? [Re: Pudge]
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Pudge, between the duck hunting fishing and boating I'm at my limit of hobbies here on the home front! I'd love to have a fermentation chamber but don't think I'd be to popular here at home if I took up even more room in the garage! As far as the wort chiller, it's in the works hopefully I'll have time to make it this week.

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