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#252534 - 01/16/12 08:20 AM Boiling Hops
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I was about to make the Bengal Tiger IPA, but then stumbled across something talking about boiling some of the hops in the wort, and then putting another sack in while it fermented.

The question that I have is this: the only part of the wort that I see to boil is the booster, then when I remove it it says to put in the HME. At which point should I be boiling the first sack of hops?

(as a side bar, I have chosen to boil centennial hops and use cascade while fermenting, good choice?)
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#252560 - 01/16/12 12:08 PM Re: Boiling Hops [Re: yonkstur]
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You do want some malt with the hops in the boil...I'd use the can of UME with about a gallon of water, and add the booster just before you add the HME, after turning off the heat.

You will need to cool this in an ice bath in the sink before adding it to the cold water in the keg, so it's not too hot for the yeast.

As an alternative, you can follow normal Mr. Beer procedures for adding the hops (add at flameout, and into the fermentor), and also add a dry hop addition. About ½ oz at flameout and dryhopped would be a nice addition, IMO.

Good luck!
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#253040 - 01/20/12 11:34 AM Re: Boiling Hops [Re: Jon_TWR]
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So start by boiling the gallon of water with the hops and the UME.

Then add HME and Booster and then ice bath before putting the it in the keg followed by pitching yeast in the fermenter?
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#253043 - 01/20/12 11:45 AM Re: Boiling Hops [Re: yonkstur]
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List the ingredients you have. You could easily overboil the
hops and get it too bitter. Also you will add the aroma hops
after after primary fermetation say 10-14 days in and let them
work their magic for about 5 days.
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#253045 - 01/20/12 11:52 AM Re: Boiling Hops [Re: HatchetJack]
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I have:


1 Can Cowboy Golden Lager HME
1 Can Mellow Amber UME
1 Pouch Booster
2 Packets Cascade Pellet Hops
1 Packet Centennial Hops
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#253072 - 01/20/12 02:37 PM Re: Boiling Hops [Re: yonkstur]
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assuming it's a mr. beer-sized recipe, add the UME to the water, and bring to a boil. once you have a rolling (not too light, but not super vigorous) boil, THEN you start with the hops. start a 60 min timer, add maybe .25 oz of centennial... wait 40 mins (so when there's 20 mins left on the timer), add another .25 oz of centennial. wait another 13 mins (so when there's 7 mins remaining on the timer), add maybe .25 oz centennial and .25 oz of cascade. when the timer is up, take the pot off the heat, stir in the HME, and move it to an ice bath. cool and ferment as per usual, and maybe dry hop .25 oz of centennial, and .25 oz of cascade after a week and two days... just chuck the pellets in the fermenter. they'll sink to the bottom. wait another 5 days (to get to the full two week mark), then bottle, carbonate 2 weeks at room temperature, and condition for two weeks in the fridge. BEER!
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#253073 - 01/20/12 02:47 PM Re: Boiling Hops [Re: psuchunk03]
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Originally Posted By: psuchunk03
assuming it's a mr. beer-sized recipe, add the UME to the water, and bring to a boil. once you have a rolling (not too light, but not super vigorous) boil, THEN you start with the hops. start a 60 min timer, add maybe .25 oz of centennial... wait 40 mins (so when there's 20 mins left on the timer), add another .25 oz of centennial. wait another 13 mins (so when there's 7 mins remaining on the timer), add maybe .25 oz centennial and .25 oz of cascade. when the timer is up, take the pot off the heat, stir in the HME, and move it to an ice bath. cool and ferment as per usual, and maybe dry hop .25 oz of centennial, and .25 oz of cascade after a week and two days... just chuck the pellets in the fermenter. they'll sink to the bottom. wait another 5 days (to get to the full two week mark), then bottle, carbonate 2 weeks at room temperature, and condition for two weeks in the fridge. BEER!
I think he has 1/2 oz Mr. Beer packages of hops.
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#253074 - 01/20/12 03:11 PM Re: Boiling Hops [Re: psuchunk03]
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thank you for these awesome instructions!

I should be brewing this two weeks from sunday. I will definitely let you all know how this turns out!

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#253075 - 01/20/12 03:41 PM Re: Boiling Hops [Re: Jon_TWR]
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Originally Posted By: Jon_TWR
Originally Posted By: psuchunk03
assuming it's a mr. beer-sized recipe, add the UME to the water, and bring to a boil. once you have a rolling (not too light, but not super vigorous) boil, THEN you start with the hops. start a 60 min timer, add maybe .25 oz of centennial... wait 40 mins (so when there's 20 mins left on the timer), add another .25 oz of centennial. wait another 13 mins (so when there's 7 mins remaining on the timer), add maybe .25 oz centennial and .25 oz of cascade. when the timer is up, take the pot off the heat, stir in the HME, and move it to an ice bath. cool and ferment as per usual, and maybe dry hop .25 oz of centennial, and .25 oz of cascade after a week and two days... just chuck the pellets in the fermenter. they'll sink to the bottom. wait another 5 days (to get to the full two week mark), then bottle, carbonate 2 weeks at room temperature, and condition for two weeks in the fridge. BEER!
I think he has 1/2 oz Mr. Beer packages of hops.

oh. well... then... adjust the hops for the amounts you have on hand. maybe use .25 oz of the centennial for the 60 min addition, then use .25 oz cascades for the 20 mins and .25 oz for the 7 min additions. then, use .25 oz centennial and .25 oz cascade for the dry hop. i think that adds up?
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#253076 - 01/20/12 03:51 PM Re: Boiling Hops [Re: psuchunk03]
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Another thing to consider is using only part of the UME for the boil. You need to use some malt to help with hop utilization, but at a certain point, utilization actually starts to go down. The extract can also darken during the boil, although that's not necessarily a bad thing. But if you want to keep it lighter, boiling only part of it means that only some of the extract darkens.

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