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#253496 - 01/23/12 04:33 PM Prep Tap Water?
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Anybody Prep Tap Water with a 15 min boil?

I often have a bitter plastic taste from my beer. I think my keg is clean & it sits in the one-step for 20 - 30 mins before the wort is added.

My tap water tastes good, but was reading boiling the water would remove chlorine & it is the city water causing off flavors?

Also, don't have a two gallon pot so I'd have to boil two batches & cool by letting the pot sit in the fridge overnight?

Does this work? Are You Prepping the water?

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#253499 - 01/23/12 04:44 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: HappyBeer]
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I use distilled or bottled drinking water by the gallon. Easy to use and measure out.

also it prolly won't take all night to cool. an ice bath and an hour or so should get it to room temp.
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#253506 - 01/23/12 05:18 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: cardinalsfan]
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Before you go this far, I'd try using two gallons of distilled water. That will truly let you know if it's your water that's the issue, or if it's something else.

Have you been disassembling your spigot and cleaning it after each batch? Lots of nooks and crannies for nasties to hide out in in the spigot.
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#253509 - 01/23/12 05:20 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: Jon_TWR]
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yup, i'd go with distilled water. only 99 cents per gallon, usually, so getting three gallons doesn't add much cost to the brew day.

and, i think you can just let the water sit overnight, in your brewpot without a lid, to let the chlorine off gas. that way you don't need to waste the energy of turning on the stove. just pour your water into a pot, let it sit overnight, and you're good to go. or am i thinking of sulfur?
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#253513 - 01/23/12 05:29 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: psuchunk03]
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Originally Posted By: psuchunk03
yup, i'd go with distilled water. only 99 cents per gallon, usually, so getting three gallons doesn't add much cost to the brew day.

and, i think you can just let the water sit overnight, in your brewpot without a lid, to let the chlorine off gas. that way you don't need to waste the energy of turning on the stove. just pour your water into a pot, let it sit overnight, and you're good to go. or am i thinking of sulfur?
Should work with either one.

Another option, since you have two one gallon pots, is to pour the water back and forth between the two pots several times. That should get the dissolved chlorine to offgas.

However, there's a chance that your water has chloramines in it, instead of chlorine. Those don't offgas.

BUT, you can use camden tablets to dechlorinate the water, even if it uses chloramines. Crush up about half a tablet in the water (1 tablet can treat up to something like 20 gallons). Then just let the water sit overnight to let the sulfur from the camden tablet offgas, and you should be good to go.

That said, I'd try one batch with distilled water, and see if you notice any difference. Good luck!


Edited by Jon_TWR (01/23/12 05:37 PM)
Edit Reason: Fixed camden tablet ratio
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#253518 - 01/23/12 05:54 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: Jon_TWR]
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I would use distilled water. It's a pretty easy way to isolate the water as a possible cause of the problem.

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#253521 - 01/23/12 06:27 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: psuchunk03]
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Originally Posted By: psuchunk03
yup, i'd go with distilled water. only 99 cents per gallon


i pay 78 cents a gallon at my store. very little for the added convenience and peace of mind.
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#253573 - 01/24/12 08:30 AM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: HappyBeer]
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Interesting,

boiled a stock pot of water & put it in the fridge.

Morning inspection shows on the bottom of the pot is a a white film of granular substance. I think it kind of tastes like salt.

Is this just from "Hard Water" or maybe I should call culligan?

The water tastes fine from the tap & never noticed the deposits before.

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#253575 - 01/24/12 08:55 AM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: HappyBeer]
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Yup, that's just mineral deposits precipitating out...it can happen with boiled and cooled water.
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#253599 - 01/24/12 10:59 AM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: cardinalsfan]
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Originally Posted By: cardinalsfan
Originally Posted By: psuchunk03
yup, i'd go with distilled water. only 99 cents per gallon


i pay 78 cents a gallon at my store. very little for the added convenience and peace of mind.


I pay 37 cents per gallon for RO water at the grocery store, they have a dispenser and you bring in your own containers( you can reuse them) and its 37 cents a gallon. If you can look for one of those
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#253637 - 01/24/12 05:34 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: Stinkfist]
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I have to scrub my hot liquor tun (HLT, the kettle in which I heat water for all grain brewing). Nothing but water goes into it but I get calcium deposits whenever I use my well water.

By the way, do not use water softened by a traditional water softener. The softener removes minerals like calcium and replaces it with salt which is generally worse than calcium for your beer.

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#253643 - 01/24/12 05:51 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: cardinalsfan]
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I only use spring water. Though a couple times when I had more water boil off than expected, I was short, so I added tap water ran thru a Britta.. which worked just fine.

Remember that water is the largest single ingredient in your beer. Make sure whatever water you use tastes good to begin with.
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#253891 - 01/25/12 09:11 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: Frosty]
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go with distilled water, my first few batches I used tap water because I drink it every day and thought it tasted fine. I switched to distilled because I had some off flavors and have not switched back. It's worth the extra cost, try it and see if you notice the difference
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#253893 - 01/25/12 09:13 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: MacBill44]
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go with distilled water, my first few batches I used tap water because I drink it every day and thought it tasted fine. I switched to distilled because I had some off flavors and have not switched back. It's worth the extra cost, try it and see if you notice the difference


remember you only want to use distilled or RO water if you are extract brewing...if you do all grain you can use RO or Distilled but you need to add the proper minerals back in..
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#254011 - 01/26/12 02:45 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: HappyBeer]
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Good info to think about. Thanks.

understand about the tabs.

boiled the tap water & left the gunk in the bottom of the pot during the pour.

will see in 2 weeks if that helps the plastic off flavor.

kind of interested in the brita filter. Fighting a stubborn streak here, might as well buy beer If I have to bring home gallon jugs of water from the store.

never knew there was soo much gunk in my the tap water.

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#254014 - 01/26/12 03:13 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: HappyBeer]
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Britta and Pur both sell filters that fit on the kitchen faucet. I've got a Pur one and it comes in pretty handy. It's not as fast as running water from the tap, but it's a lot faster than using the pitcher with the filter. For brewing, I fill several gallon jugs and stick them in the fridge (preferably at least overnight).

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#254100 - 01/27/12 01:24 AM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: Frosty]
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Just thought I'd point out: in this MB video, homeboy says to use Spring water or charcoal filtered tap water. Go to about 1:57

http://www.mrbeer.com/category-exec/category_id/262
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#257678 - 02/19/12 10:00 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: Stinkfist]
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I have only brewed with Spring and Distilled water. Nothing else. I find that I have better tasting results with Distilled, dispite some negative things people say about distilled.
As long as I dont use booster, dont use Mr Beer yeast, and as long as I keep the proper fermentation temperatures and everything sanitized properly, i have never had any issues.
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#257679 - 02/19/12 10:28 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: GR Travis]
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who's been bad-mouthing distilled? we should find out who it was, get in some cars, and go over there and beat them with whiffle ball bats!

when you extract brew, distilled is preferred... since the extract makers condensed a wort with the minerals already in there... any added minerals in spring or tap water could disrupt the balance.
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#257680 - 02/19/12 11:02 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: psuchunk03]
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Originally Posted By: psuchunk03
who's been bad-mouthing distilled? we should find out who it was, get in some cars, and go over there and beat them with whiffle ball bats!

when you extract brew, distilled is preferred... since the extract makers condensed a wort with the minerals already in there... any added minerals in spring or tap water could disrupt the balance.


+1 unless Mrbeer is saying the wort they brew to make their extract is made wrong??? wink
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#257681 - 02/19/12 11:06 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: psuchunk03]
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I think what happens is that people read that distilled and RO are missing the minerals that are needed and either miss or misunderstand the part where it applies to all grain, then repeat what they've read (or what they thought they read). Others read that and repeat it and the misinformation spreads.

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#257689 - 02/20/12 01:04 AM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: bpgreen]
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Funny thing about the water...when I do extract batches I use tap water HOWEVER when I do my normal AG batches I throw in a little bit of Gypsum with that same tap water. My earlier AG batches were a little blaw then did a read up on the water and discovered this ingredient that has made a huge difference as all the flavors of the beer were enhanced when I used it. Just that one mineral addition improved my brewing. However I don't have the same water that they have in Milwaukee,St.Louis,Chico CA,or Kalamazoo MI. Know your water source before acting upon it.

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#257709 - 02/20/12 11:49 AM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: Milltime]
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good points, milltime.

if anyone REALLY wants to start messing with their water chemistry, especially the all-grain brewers, most municipalities have a water report on file with dissolved mineral and chemical make-up...
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#257715 - 02/20/12 01:05 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: psuchunk03]
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Even simply running your tap water through a home filtration system (Pur, Brita, etc) can often make an improvement.
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#257732 - 02/20/12 03:40 PM Re: Prep Tap Water? [Re: Pudge]
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I had my tap water tested and it's perfect for making stouts. Unfortunately I'm not a big stout fan so I often compromise by using distilled to cut the mineral content of my water. The lighter the beer I'm brewing the more distilled water I use. But, all this applies to me brewing all grain.

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